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Dear Pymander,
a belated welcome to the Oracle forum and thank you for your most interesting post and I apologise for my late acknowledgement, I’m afraid I was unwell for much of January and part of February so I was not firing on all cylinders.

Yes I have always had a certain fascination for The Book of Enoch but have probably been too busy and apprehensive about its content to take my research further. I should add that I am an admirer of the English artist and poet, printmaker and engraver William Blake, who was also drawn into Enoch, a factor which has also paved my way to this point. However, it is you who has piqued my interest Pymander, so I am treading the path of investigation, and would welcome a diverse response, so here goes.

Kind Regards Redbeck

As I understand it, The Book of Enoch is an ancient Hebrew apocalyptic religious text, traditionally attributed to Enoch, who was either Noah’s grandfather or great-grandfather which is subject to some debate.
Enoch is fascinating in that it includes distinctive material that describes the origins of demons and Nephilim, a short essay as to why some angels fell from heaven, provides an explanation as to why the Genesis flood was a necessary lesson for humankind on moral grounds, along with an accurate prediction that explains the thousand-year rule of the Messiah.

The older sections of text, mainly present in the “Book of the Watchers” are estimated to date from around 300–200 BC, and the later section, the “Book of Parables” probably to 100 BC.

A variety of fragments of Aramaic found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments, prove that the Book of Enoch was known to the Jews and early Near Eastern Christians. This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs written in Hebrew in the latter years of John Hyrcanus (ca. 109–106 bc). Authors of the New Testament were also verified as having a degree of familiarity with some elements of the story.



Book of Enoch



Third Parable – 1 Enoch 58-63 by William Blake

Leviathan from the “fountains of the Waters” and Behemoth who holds an invisible desert in his chest. This desert is called Dunadayin, possibly the “land of Nod” from Genesis 4:16



“Enoch” engraving by William Blake

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Odd thing about it is why it was removed from the bible considering it is the only scripture that has the devil's real name which is Gadre'el which translate to builder or mason. The book of Enoch aka book or watchers also talks about how there are 5 satan's and not only one. Enoch wrote about sheol, lake of fire and paradise. I found this an interesting read as well as the lost book of giants.

Whiterabbit wrote: 14 May 2022 05:21 Odd thing about it is why it was removed from the bible considering it is the only scripture that has the devil's real name which is Gadre'el which translate to builder or mason. The book of Enoch aka book or watchers also talks about how there are 5 satan's and not only one. Enoch wrote about sheol, lake of fire and paradise. I found this an interesting read as well as the lost book of giants.

As I understand it, it was never exactly "removed" from the Bible as it was never even in the Tanakh to begin with, as the Jews found the concept of Angels being capable of sin to be entirely confounding and simply not possible, and so discounted the entirety of the text.

If I recall correctly, Satan is simply a title, I believe the Hebrew word for "Accuser"? In the Book of Job assuming my memory is not failing, the angel acting as prosecutor against poor Job was described as being a Satan. A role not too dissimilar to a court prosecuting attorney. Not evil, just strictly clinical.

Although I find the idea quite perplexing, that a God as described in the Tanakh, particularly being an omniscient God, would need to appoint someone else to assist in testing someones morals. Would he simply not already know the man's heart?

Nazheek wrote: 06 Jun 2022 04:48

Whiterabbit wrote: 14 May 2022 05:21 Odd thing about it is why it was removed from the bible considering it is the only scripture that has the devil's real name which is Gadre'el which translate to builder or mason. The book of Enoch aka book or watchers also talks about how there are 5 satan's and not only one. Enoch wrote about sheol, lake of fire and paradise. I found this an interesting read as well as the lost book of giants.

As I understand it, it was never exactly "removed" from the Bible as it was never even in the Tanakh to begin with, as the Jews found the concept of Angels being capable of sin to be entirely confounding and simply not possible, and so discounted the entirety of the text.

If I recall correctly, Satan is simply a title, I believe the Hebrew word for "Accuser"? In the Book of Job assuming my memory is not failing, the angel acting as prosecutor against poor Job was described as being a Satan. A role not too dissimilar to a court prosecuting attorney. Not evil, just strictly clinical.

Although I find the idea quite perplexing, that a God as described in the Tanakh, particularly being an omniscient God, would need to appoint someone else to assist in testing someones morals. Would he simply not already know the man's heart?

Those Jews were in correct as two major sins the angels could commit were pride and envy. Plus in the bible the Lord said he would destroy that serpent they call Satan. The Lord never called him Satan and there are various definition of the word Satan, primary meaning: someone that doesn't follow the path of the father.
He did know that Job would not have cursed the Lords name is why the Lord permitted Gadre'el to do those attacks on Job, however the Lord made it clear when took Job up and showed Job his creations Leviathan and behemoth, the Lord made it clear that Job would not understand the Lord on how the Lord permits these things. In addition the blessed Job twice fold.
The Lord even tested Jesus as Jesus was in the desert and even Jesus even said "father why have you forsaken me?

Hello Pymander, I would advise you to research the works of John Dee and the connections he spread across Europe. There are some people out there that believe that early Rosicrucianism was spread by people who followed the works of John Dee and those whom he may have influenced during his travels. I bring his name up and Rosicrucianism as the Rosicrucians of today believe the Rosicrucians of old influenced early speculative Freemasons. Speculative Freemasonry has only within the last 300+ years become more uniformed with their beliefs/rules/rituals/etc. and drew from many different "occult" groups.

Your story you have presented is an upsetting one and your imbibing of alcohol would surely make others believe you were simply having psychosis brought on by the consumption of alcohol. It is also possible you were drugged or that your alcoholic drink may have been contaminated by a some sort of bacteria/fungus. Yet you allege that before you had these experiences you seemed to investigating a malicious gang which may commit horrendous crimes against their fellow human beings. Which does make it possible you were targeted by them due to your curiosity in uncovering the truth behind the crime(s) going on where you live.

I would call into question your friend's warning as they may be a detective for the police, as Prince Hall Freemasons are usually vetted like other regular masonic organizations to ensure they are not associated with criminals. Yet it is still possible for a corrupt lodge or member to exist unfortunately. Usually these corrupt members will be discovered and removed or leave to form their own organizations. Organizations like the order of owls is one such corruption, and the infiltration of the Jesuits during the early years due to the church of Rome disliking freethinkers. Freemasonry is also in danger of being destabilized again these days as membership declines and the increase in social vanity becomes detrimental to many groups.

Your friend might truly be looking out for you, you getting closer to uncovering the crimes of this alleged gang might put you and your family's lives at risk. People can become misguided and perverted by the half truths of the occult leading them down a path which many would call evil. This can happen to anyone or group of individuals which let their minds be corrupted by ambition/despair/selfishness/greed/ignorance/etc. These people who have become corrupted are dangerous to themselves and to society. A great example of mental corruption can be found in extremist groups and ideologues who have become indoctrinated. Many time ideologues will use many forms of information to support their own biases. It is easy for the human brain to make connections and see patterns which end up misleading it into believing a falsehood or creating a conspiracy for self preservation. This is not supernatural or unnatural it is part of the fabric of human reality.

I would also advise you to consider the situation you might be getting yourself into or are already in. Coming to sites which delve into the occult/paranormal/outcasts/etc. might corrupt your mind with half truths. Your life could become unbalanced and lead you down a path full of self harming actions. I do not wish to stoke the flames of paranoia but I am willing to ponder upon your alleged predicament. For instance your mentioning of so called social parasites is disconcerting, as many people from all walks of life can fall into the lows of the social orders of human life. People who prey upon others can be found in all walks of life unfortunately and their evil is not bound by common morality. Those who are downtrodden or have less power then these predators usually will fall prey to their malicious plots. Truly I fear the dark personality disorders as they seem more beast then human in their actions and thoughts.

The girl who took your phone may or may not be a victim of the group which stalks your streets and coerced into stealing your phone for them. I hope for your safety it was simply a coincidence and her deleting of your pictures and notes was done in hastened fear. By fear I mean she saw your notes/pictures on your phone thinking it was her phone and/or the strangeness of it scared her into deleting the information. Not everyone has been exposed to occult symbolism and when they are exposed to it generally it is usually portrayed as supernatural/evil/crazy/scary/etc. Asking the girl if/why she deleted the information may not have given you anymore insight into the matter as she is a stranger with no real connection to you. So for now it would seem her involvement and the male acquaintance's involvement is hazy without further information which could tie them to the case presented.

Finally I leave you with some parting words. . .
Do not be like a Greek who is tricked by a Canaanite(Phoenician) into believing the world is flat and that the Atlantic
ocean is full of sea monsters just so they can monopolize on trading with the lands beyond the Mediterranean. Do not be a Roman and speak lies about Carthage to sound superior, as those in Carthage speak the same lies about Rome. Do not act as the French did when they blindly persecuted the Cathars for their beliefs in their God. Do not let yourself be led by a church which tried to erase the existence of the women who followed Diana's guidance under those pale moons.

I wish you safety in your travels and clarity in your thoughts, whatever hardships you face ahead can be overcome with the right tools and the knowledge how to use them correctly.