The idea of magick is one that has plagued our society since the very creation of humans. The fact that people must learn to face is that we are here. The wytches are coming. We are rising. If you wish to join us we shall be waiting. Only those deemed worthy shall pass. Enter if you dare, and blessed by.
~Ave
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Re: Wytches
Dear AveLucifer welcome to the Oracle Forum and thank you for your message.
Firstly your most lyrical biblical postscript has shed a phrase or two:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. From the Gospel According to John 3:16 I believe?
Which can be interpreted as: Nothing other than the free love of the Father can begin our salvation, and Christ is the entity in whom our righteousness and salvation dwells: and faith is the instrument or means by which we perceive it, and everlasting life is what is set before us to fathom.
Which says Nazianzene in his Oration of the Spirit: That it is not the same depth of embrace to believe in a thing, as to believe about a thing, for we may not be permitted in the narrow-focus view to believe in anything except in God alone, but in reality we may believe about anything whatever.
Relating to wytchery this can be construed as 'Ancestor veneration'. In other words one's late Elders of the line are a constant occurrence in terms of thoughts, dreams and practices.
In this context 'Venerating the Ancestors' means approaching the Path in the spirit that they approached the Path, and aspiring to the level of adepthood that their lives manifested through the inspiration and praxis of the lineage that they inherited, lived and bequeathed to their initiates.
Therefore AveLucifer I assume that the instruction carried in the main body of your post has been handed down through this lineage. Also the methodology adopted and shared with students of the Path, has been drawn from a multitude of many sources with inherent commonalities across many modalities as to how make these connections. An approach which has proven efficacious in mainstream experience and practice. Similar methods and approaches are to be gleaned from the writings of Crowley, Regardie Weed, Schulke, Potts and others.
My own primary interest is working with plants. There is indeed an increasing exposure to and much more detailed information available about the use of entheogens and other teaching plants. Certainly larger numbers of practitioners are embracing the idea that working with plants demands a relationship which goes well beyond that of practitioner and materia medica / materia magica. This is a relationship that in fact goes beyond using plants for their biochemical constituents.
Undoubtedly a great deal more becomes possible if the work is approached with an attitude of cooperative partnership, whereby we encounter the Intelligence of the plant, and open both conscious and subconscious minds to receipt of insight and information from that same encounter. If you are involved in this aspect of magick I would be interested to hear your thoughts?
Anyway, this seems to me to represent a far more plausible explanation as to how we gained the knowledge we have accumulated about plant properties throughout human prehistory, other than dismissively accepting that this knowledge was gained through blind trial and error, or through observing the consumption of plants by animals.
Therefore I personally feel that by integrating the methods of magicians, herbalists, green witches and hedge wizards, and in fact re-learning the techniques of Witchcraft traditions that remain intact, it is possible to build an effective modus operandi enabling us to make contact with the presiding Genius of any given plant and actually gain insight and direction from it.
Much the same multiple-source and distillation techniques as have been applied to the main site in fact:
In other words, begin with the study of what is known about a specific plant: herbal medicine, field craft, agriculture, folklore, prose and poetry, art, history, are all valid sources of knowledge to amass.
Firstly your most lyrical biblical postscript has shed a phrase or two:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. From the Gospel According to John 3:16 I believe?
Which can be interpreted as: Nothing other than the free love of the Father can begin our salvation, and Christ is the entity in whom our righteousness and salvation dwells: and faith is the instrument or means by which we perceive it, and everlasting life is what is set before us to fathom.
Which says Nazianzene in his Oration of the Spirit: That it is not the same depth of embrace to believe in a thing, as to believe about a thing, for we may not be permitted in the narrow-focus view to believe in anything except in God alone, but in reality we may believe about anything whatever.
Relating to wytchery this can be construed as 'Ancestor veneration'. In other words one's late Elders of the line are a constant occurrence in terms of thoughts, dreams and practices.
In this context 'Venerating the Ancestors' means approaching the Path in the spirit that they approached the Path, and aspiring to the level of adepthood that their lives manifested through the inspiration and praxis of the lineage that they inherited, lived and bequeathed to their initiates.
Therefore AveLucifer I assume that the instruction carried in the main body of your post has been handed down through this lineage. Also the methodology adopted and shared with students of the Path, has been drawn from a multitude of many sources with inherent commonalities across many modalities as to how make these connections. An approach which has proven efficacious in mainstream experience and practice. Similar methods and approaches are to be gleaned from the writings of Crowley, Regardie Weed, Schulke, Potts and others.
My own primary interest is working with plants. There is indeed an increasing exposure to and much more detailed information available about the use of entheogens and other teaching plants. Certainly larger numbers of practitioners are embracing the idea that working with plants demands a relationship which goes well beyond that of practitioner and materia medica / materia magica. This is a relationship that in fact goes beyond using plants for their biochemical constituents.
Undoubtedly a great deal more becomes possible if the work is approached with an attitude of cooperative partnership, whereby we encounter the Intelligence of the plant, and open both conscious and subconscious minds to receipt of insight and information from that same encounter. If you are involved in this aspect of magick I would be interested to hear your thoughts?
Anyway, this seems to me to represent a far more plausible explanation as to how we gained the knowledge we have accumulated about plant properties throughout human prehistory, other than dismissively accepting that this knowledge was gained through blind trial and error, or through observing the consumption of plants by animals.
Therefore I personally feel that by integrating the methods of magicians, herbalists, green witches and hedge wizards, and in fact re-learning the techniques of Witchcraft traditions that remain intact, it is possible to build an effective modus operandi enabling us to make contact with the presiding Genius of any given plant and actually gain insight and direction from it.
Much the same multiple-source and distillation techniques as have been applied to the main site in fact:
In other words, begin with the study of what is known about a specific plant: herbal medicine, field craft, agriculture, folklore, prose and poetry, art, history, are all valid sources of knowledge to amass.
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Re: Wytches
Redbeck, first and foremost I thank you for the welcome which you have extended to me, and secondly for that which you have added to this post. Perhaps there are a few things which I may need to bring into a higher light before I attempt anything else.
I myself discovered wytchery through my own trial and error attempts at blindly making my way through the labyrinths of traps and walls placed up before me within my life and even home. Religion and societal morals pressed upon the varied attempts at connecting with the universe made by mine self until the discovery of a crucial piece to the puzzle which I had been missing.
I wasn't attempting to make my way through solid walls. I was trying to find the proper doorway, and that doorway came to me from a source other than my own mother. Wytchcraft was in my blood. It was not me calling unto the universe but the universe calling unto me.
Now to address the passage of the Bible which I have appropriated and slightly altered.
This was both a symbolic act and one that actually goes to represent my beliefs.
I am a pagan. I cannot attest to what this means to other people, but to me what this title holds is no more than the belief in multiple deities from various pantheons. The symbolism is for me a way to reverse the complete and utter appropriation of pagan cultures by the Christian religion.
10 Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3
For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4
They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5
Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”
Jeremiah 10:1-5 on the practice of placing up Christmas trees.
This is but one example of how many appropriated customs adopted by Christians in order to make the tradition simpler and a bit more painless. I suppose in a sense, this is pitiful of me, but even so, I see it only fit.
Although I am certain I've left out many a thing that I ought to have said, I think I shall leave this here, and I eagerly await any farther conversation or inquiries from either you, Redbeck, or any others.
~Ave
I myself discovered wytchery through my own trial and error attempts at blindly making my way through the labyrinths of traps and walls placed up before me within my life and even home. Religion and societal morals pressed upon the varied attempts at connecting with the universe made by mine self until the discovery of a crucial piece to the puzzle which I had been missing.
I wasn't attempting to make my way through solid walls. I was trying to find the proper doorway, and that doorway came to me from a source other than my own mother. Wytchcraft was in my blood. It was not me calling unto the universe but the universe calling unto me.
Now to address the passage of the Bible which I have appropriated and slightly altered.
This was both a symbolic act and one that actually goes to represent my beliefs.
I am a pagan. I cannot attest to what this means to other people, but to me what this title holds is no more than the belief in multiple deities from various pantheons. The symbolism is for me a way to reverse the complete and utter appropriation of pagan cultures by the Christian religion.
10 Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3
For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4
They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
5
Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”
Jeremiah 10:1-5 on the practice of placing up Christmas trees.
This is but one example of how many appropriated customs adopted by Christians in order to make the tradition simpler and a bit more painless. I suppose in a sense, this is pitiful of me, but even so, I see it only fit.
Although I am certain I've left out many a thing that I ought to have said, I think I shall leave this here, and I eagerly await any farther conversation or inquiries from either you, Redbeck, or any others.
~Ave
~For the Gods so loved the world they gave their only begotten son~
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Re: Wytches
Dear Ave Lucifer,
Thank you for your interesting and intelligent continuation of the thread. I think most of us have a trace, perhaps even a solid streak of pagan in our psyche, despite an assumed overall religion. Especially among those with strong connections to the land and the natural world, many of whom are rampantly superstitious, myself included. And having strong Celtic ancestry, inevitably my interest in their magick mythology, superstitions, druids and all asides, exercises a powerful pull.
Superstition of course is the belief in supernatural causality, i.e. that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events. Of course these can equally relate to religion as they do to astrology, spanning omens, witchcraft, and prophecies, in other words, more or less any occurrence that contradicts natural science.
In fact, interestingly enough, the word superstition is generally used to refer to the religion not practiced by the majority of a given society, regardless of whether the incumbent religion itself contains superstitions. The word is also commonly applied to beliefs and practices that revolve around luck, prophecy, and certain spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific but apparently unrelated precursor events.
Other than Judaism and Christianity, the mystery religions were the most influential religions in the early centuries after Christ. The reason behind the reference to these cults as ‘mystery religions’ is that they generally involved secret ceremonies known only to those initiated into the cult, with an objective of some kind of salvation.
Most of these mystery religions, would have fallen comfortably under the modern Pagan generic, and all exhibited common traits, we are certainly back to the ‘strong connections to the land and the natural world’ in my opening paragraph.
1) Central to each mystery religion was its adoption of an annual vegetation cycle in which life is renewed each spring and dies during autumn. Followers of the mystery cults found deep symbolic significance in the natural processes of growth, death, decay, and rebirth.
2) As observed earlier, each cult made important use of secret ceremonies or mysteries, often directly connected with an initiation rite. Each mystery religion, especially among the priesthood, also passed on a ‘secret’ to the initiate that included information about the life of the cult’s god or goddess and how humans might achieve unity with that deity. This ‘knowledge’ was always a secret or esoteric knowledge, unattainable by anyone outside the circumference of the cult.
3) Each mystery also centred on a myth in which the deity either returned to life after death or otherwise triumphed over his enemies. Implicit in the myth was the theme of redemption from everything earthly and temporal.
As Christianity developed in exactly the same environment as the existing Mysteries, and as none of us was around at the time, it is therefore safe to assume that there was a much stronger pagan connection than clerics would have us believe. The majority of Apothecaries, Healers and Doctors for example were pagan, as are a number of today’s alternative healers. They would worship at the totally pagan of temple of Asclepius in Athens where you went for major cures and to give thanks for them. In ancient Macedonia and Rome, an asclepeion was a healing temple. Another example of trade related pagan worship was Mithras worshipped by most members of the military.
Asclepius - The Temple of Asclepius was the world's first hospital
After all Christianity is only what we’ve been told by word of mouth or read, and the qualities of other religions would have almost certainly not have been highlighted in the zealous disciple's written word, more likely the associated evils and the impending damnation should one fail to convert! While working in a broad spread of Muslim countries in the past, you would regularly see articles in the newspapers published under the rules of the stricter regimes in the region, where people were accused of witchery, sorcery or exposed as exponents of black magic, all of which are considered as particularly serious crimes, within that body of belief and normally coupled with blasphemy.
Thank you for your interesting and intelligent continuation of the thread. I think most of us have a trace, perhaps even a solid streak of pagan in our psyche, despite an assumed overall religion. Especially among those with strong connections to the land and the natural world, many of whom are rampantly superstitious, myself included. And having strong Celtic ancestry, inevitably my interest in their magick mythology, superstitions, druids and all asides, exercises a powerful pull.
Superstition of course is the belief in supernatural causality, i.e. that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events. Of course these can equally relate to religion as they do to astrology, spanning omens, witchcraft, and prophecies, in other words, more or less any occurrence that contradicts natural science.
In fact, interestingly enough, the word superstition is generally used to refer to the religion not practiced by the majority of a given society, regardless of whether the incumbent religion itself contains superstitions. The word is also commonly applied to beliefs and practices that revolve around luck, prophecy, and certain spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific but apparently unrelated precursor events.
Other than Judaism and Christianity, the mystery religions were the most influential religions in the early centuries after Christ. The reason behind the reference to these cults as ‘mystery religions’ is that they generally involved secret ceremonies known only to those initiated into the cult, with an objective of some kind of salvation.
Most of these mystery religions, would have fallen comfortably under the modern Pagan generic, and all exhibited common traits, we are certainly back to the ‘strong connections to the land and the natural world’ in my opening paragraph.
1) Central to each mystery religion was its adoption of an annual vegetation cycle in which life is renewed each spring and dies during autumn. Followers of the mystery cults found deep symbolic significance in the natural processes of growth, death, decay, and rebirth.
2) As observed earlier, each cult made important use of secret ceremonies or mysteries, often directly connected with an initiation rite. Each mystery religion, especially among the priesthood, also passed on a ‘secret’ to the initiate that included information about the life of the cult’s god or goddess and how humans might achieve unity with that deity. This ‘knowledge’ was always a secret or esoteric knowledge, unattainable by anyone outside the circumference of the cult.
3) Each mystery also centred on a myth in which the deity either returned to life after death or otherwise triumphed over his enemies. Implicit in the myth was the theme of redemption from everything earthly and temporal.
As Christianity developed in exactly the same environment as the existing Mysteries, and as none of us was around at the time, it is therefore safe to assume that there was a much stronger pagan connection than clerics would have us believe. The majority of Apothecaries, Healers and Doctors for example were pagan, as are a number of today’s alternative healers. They would worship at the totally pagan of temple of Asclepius in Athens where you went for major cures and to give thanks for them. In ancient Macedonia and Rome, an asclepeion was a healing temple. Another example of trade related pagan worship was Mithras worshipped by most members of the military.
Asclepius - The Temple of Asclepius was the world's first hospital
After all Christianity is only what we’ve been told by word of mouth or read, and the qualities of other religions would have almost certainly not have been highlighted in the zealous disciple's written word, more likely the associated evils and the impending damnation should one fail to convert! While working in a broad spread of Muslim countries in the past, you would regularly see articles in the newspapers published under the rules of the stricter regimes in the region, where people were accused of witchery, sorcery or exposed as exponents of black magic, all of which are considered as particularly serious crimes, within that body of belief and normally coupled with blasphemy.
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Re: Wytches
Only They Deemed[] Shall Pass , nereissap nedrew ,dnis gidruw eid ,neginejeid ruN
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Who Shalt Take The [] Rules And Rule?
He Who Hath Hallowed Knowledge To Make Rules And Rule,
An Evil King: “I Shall Take”
What Art Thy Rule[s]?
“Three Art [All] Some Know Ye!,
If Ye Art Without Three,
Ye, My People Willt Die!
So Followeth []my[] Rules.[..]”
Who Shall Ye Take As Thy People?
“They, Who Art At My [Lower] Worthiness, And Keep They There”
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Three Apples He Hath,
One Of Gold,
One Of Silver,
One Of lead,
A Poor Lady Stance:
“Mayth I Hath Thy Lead Apple?
For If I Shall Hath, Air I Mayth Breathe...”
“I Hath Understanding,
I Hath Mercury,
And Ye Shall Not!”
“Whyfore?”
“For Only With Mercury, Ye Shall Take Lead”
“Mayth I Hath Thy Mercury?”
“Nay! For I Hath Understanding[?] Of Thy Non-understanding, That Which Ye Hath!”
The Lady Liveth Not Therein,
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Who Shalt Take The [] Rules And Rule?
He Who Hath Hallowed Knowledge To Make Rules And Rule,
An Evil King: “I Shall Take”
What Art Thy Rule[s]?
“Three Art [All] Some Know Ye!,
If Ye Art Without Three,
Ye, My People Willt Die!
So Followeth []my[] Rules.[..]”
Who Shall Ye Take As Thy People?
“They, Who Art At My [Lower] Worthiness, And Keep They There”
...
..
.
Three Apples He Hath,
One Of Gold,
One Of Silver,
One Of lead,
A Poor Lady Stance:
“Mayth I Hath Thy Lead Apple?
For If I Shall Hath, Air I Mayth Breathe...”
“I Hath Understanding,
I Hath Mercury,
And Ye Shall Not!”
“Whyfore?”
“For Only With Mercury, Ye Shall Take Lead”
“Mayth I Hath Thy Mercury?”
“Nay! For I Hath Understanding[?] Of Thy Non-understanding, That Which Ye Hath!”
The Lady Liveth Not Therein,
...
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