Does time truly exist?
We are made forced to believe that supposedly there is an eternal life after death. But what about now? Death is just a measure of a humans life span, just like an animal has its lifespan, so de we. So did time even exist from the beginning?
It was a human invention, not made by anything divine.
What time do we have to loose?
What time do we have to kill?
What time?
Time is a tool, not a fact.
Time is a theory, not a law. (Has anyone ever thought of this?)
I would like to hear some THOUGHTS as this topic puzzled me from the start. There is no way to prove time right?
DOES TIME REALLY EXIST?
DOES TIME REALLY EXIST?
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Re: DOES TIME REALLY EXIST?
Perhaps I can offer a take on this...
In our world we can observe change happening. When a hot cup of coffee is placed upon a desk unattended, it will begin to cool down, and at some point become roughly the temperature of the room that it's in. Before it cooled down, it simply had the *potential* to cool down, but this potential was eventually *actualized* by the laws of physics in play. This actualization of potential, and passing from one state to another that we can observe all around us; which is so pervasive, that we cannot possibly escape from it (unless we truly transcendent into a different realm) is a hallmark of living in a temporal (time) dimension. For change to be possible at all, the changing objects must exist within time. This would conversely imply that entities living outside time do not experience change; instead of being entities *becoming*, they are entities *become.* They have no potential for change, and are hence in a state of perpetual actuality and perpetual present.
I have no idea what being in such a state feels like. It perplexes but fascinates me at the same time.
Methods of measuring time are clearly human invention, but the pure experience of time vis-a-vis change is very real to me. To my mind, if time were created, it sooner originates from the Gods than from man. The question still remains, however: no matter its creator, can time be transcended?
In our world we can observe change happening. When a hot cup of coffee is placed upon a desk unattended, it will begin to cool down, and at some point become roughly the temperature of the room that it's in. Before it cooled down, it simply had the *potential* to cool down, but this potential was eventually *actualized* by the laws of physics in play. This actualization of potential, and passing from one state to another that we can observe all around us; which is so pervasive, that we cannot possibly escape from it (unless we truly transcendent into a different realm) is a hallmark of living in a temporal (time) dimension. For change to be possible at all, the changing objects must exist within time. This would conversely imply that entities living outside time do not experience change; instead of being entities *becoming*, they are entities *become.* They have no potential for change, and are hence in a state of perpetual actuality and perpetual present.
I have no idea what being in such a state feels like. It perplexes but fascinates me at the same time.
Methods of measuring time are clearly human invention, but the pure experience of time vis-a-vis change is very real to me. To my mind, if time were created, it sooner originates from the Gods than from man. The question still remains, however: no matter its creator, can time be transcended?
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Interesting perspective indeed!Svalbard wrote: 03 May 2019 03:12 Perhaps I can offer a take on this...
In our world we can observe change happening. When a hot cup of coffee is placed upon a desk unattended, it will begin to cool down, and at some point become roughly the temperature of the room that it's in. Before it cooled down, it simply had the *potential* to cool down, but this potential was eventually *actualized* by the laws of physics in play. This actualization of potential, and passing from one state to another that we can observe all around us; which is so pervasive, that we cannot possibly escape from it (unless we truly transcendent into a different realm) is a hallmark of living in a temporal (time) dimension. For change to be possible at all, the changing objects must exist within time. This would conversely imply that entities living outside time do not experience change; instead of being entities *becoming*, they are entities *become.* They have no potential for change, and are hence in a state of perpetual actuality and perpetual present.
I have no idea what being in such a state feels like. It perplexes but fascinates me at the same time.
Methods of measuring time are clearly human invention, but the pure experience of time vis-a-vis change is very real to me. To my mind, if time were created, it sooner originates from the Gods than from man. The question still remains, however: no matter its creator, can time be transcended?
The question always puzzled me. I knew there was always one scientific explanation on it, but this time particularly, I was going a bit on the theoretical side. Although the question we want answered most is like you said, can time be transcended?
Time travel and things of that matter have been proven and is possible through worm holes in space, but the big question is how? We know it's possible, but how can one make it possible?
Time is a subject which perplexed and interested me for many years, although it is a topic that is hard to get answers from, suppose the only answers will be theory's, at least for now.
Much obliged for the captivating reply and theory!
Best of regards,
Sh3rl0ck
Then he said, "I lostmyhead" can you see it?
Re: DOES TIME REALLY EXIST?
Of course. Please, do let us know if you reach further conclusions. This is a subject that I will be thinking much about.Sh3rl0ck wrote: 07 May 2019 00:04Interesting perspective indeed!Svalbard wrote: 03 May 2019 03:12 Perhaps I can offer a take on this...
In our world we can observe change happening. When a hot cup of coffee is placed upon a desk unattended, it will begin to cool down, and at some point become roughly the temperature of the room that it's in. Before it cooled down, it simply had the *potential* to cool down, but this potential was eventually *actualized* by the laws of physics in play. This actualization of potential, and passing from one state to another that we can observe all around us; which is so pervasive, that we cannot possibly escape from it (unless we truly transcendent into a different realm) is a hallmark of living in a temporal (time) dimension. For change to be possible at all, the changing objects must exist within time. This would conversely imply that entities living outside time do not experience change; instead of being entities *becoming*, they are entities *become.* They have no potential for change, and are hence in a state of perpetual actuality and perpetual present.
I have no idea what being in such a state feels like. It perplexes but fascinates me at the same time.
Methods of measuring time are clearly human invention, but the pure experience of time vis-a-vis change is very real to me. To my mind, if time were created, it sooner originates from the Gods than from man. The question still remains, however: no matter its creator, can time be transcended?
The question always puzzled me. I knew there was always one scientific explanation on it, but this time particularly, I was going a bit on the theoretical side. Although the question we want answered most is like you said, can time be transcended?
Time travel and things of that matter have been proven and is possible through worm holes in space, but the big question is how? We know it's possible, but how can one make it possible?
Time is a subject which perplexed and interested me for many years, although it is a topic that is hard to get answers from, suppose the only answers will be theory's, at least for now.
Much obliged for the captivating reply and theory!
Best of regards,
Sh3rl0ck
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hello i have something quick i would like to add, if you haven't seen this you should while your on this topic.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... bout-time/
O.P.A.L.
-we can only perceive time the way we want, time isnt a beat its a rythm. the universes rythm likes to change and so it does, the many implications of space time being constant stems from our own misunderstanding of the infinite vastness of our own existence. we are a simple people and we like to simplify as much as we can but somethings just cant be simple and others could never dream of understanding everything, because no one person can see the same color in all its shades.
#4 cadence
https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... bout-time/
O.P.A.L.
-we can only perceive time the way we want, time isnt a beat its a rythm. the universes rythm likes to change and so it does, the many implications of space time being constant stems from our own misunderstanding of the infinite vastness of our own existence. we are a simple people and we like to simplify as much as we can but somethings just cant be simple and others could never dream of understanding everything, because no one person can see the same color in all its shades.
#4 cadence
No matter where the stars may take us
We will always find a home
We will always find a home
Re: DOES TIME REALLY EXIST?
Greetings all once again!
I appreciate everyones responses to this particular subject that has puzzled me for many years.
And thank you BeN1, and O.P.A.L for the captivating articles provided. And Svalbard once again for the interesting theory/point of view.
Time is a subject that can't be explained scientifically, but only theoretically, until further technology is possibly advanced. As in one of the articles, time has no specific direction. For example, what we call now, is supposedly the present, tomorrow the future, and yesterday the past. But time never stops, meaning yesterday is still the present in the past, and tomorrow is the present in the future. In the future, us (the present) is the past, and in the past, we (present) are the future. And as you can see, time has no direction nor does it stop. The past is still happening, as is the future as well.
Thus, we can no longer call this the "present" for the term is only a theoretical term. It's an illusion to us all.
In the previous paragraph, I was going over the article that O.P.A.L provided, when it said that time has no direction. But now let's take a look at the article on what BeN1 sent:
In the article, it says that there is a theory that the universe did not start with a bang, but rather with a bounce. AS crazy as it sounds, it is quite possible, and if you further study, it makes more sense then the bang theory.
If the universe started with a bang, that would mean that time is constantly going in one direction. Let's say forward. Although we clearly know this isn't true since time has no direction. BUT, if the universe started with a bounce, there was two dimensions that were created. One going forward, or at least what we call forward. And the other going backwards, OR once again what we call backwards. This makes more sense, considering it this theory it has no particular direction, and time doesn't stop, nor does it go backwards or forward. Time goes as the reality rule says. But let's not forget that time doesn't exactly have any rules, as time can go any direction.
Even though this theory sounds more true to me. It can't be proved, for as science always reminds us, a theory can never become a law. But that is why we have the important subject of quantum physics. It is a subject that is underrated, and needs more time put into it then most people think.
Quantum physics is the study of everything really. And only through quantum physics can we fully understand things beyond the laws of what physics tells us.
If only we can enter the quantum realm. . .
I appreciate everyones responses to this particular subject that has puzzled me for many years.
And thank you BeN1, and O.P.A.L for the captivating articles provided. And Svalbard once again for the interesting theory/point of view.
Time is a subject that can't be explained scientifically, but only theoretically, until further technology is possibly advanced. As in one of the articles, time has no specific direction. For example, what we call now, is supposedly the present, tomorrow the future, and yesterday the past. But time never stops, meaning yesterday is still the present in the past, and tomorrow is the present in the future. In the future, us (the present) is the past, and in the past, we (present) are the future. And as you can see, time has no direction nor does it stop. The past is still happening, as is the future as well.
Thus, we can no longer call this the "present" for the term is only a theoretical term. It's an illusion to us all.
In the previous paragraph, I was going over the article that O.P.A.L provided, when it said that time has no direction. But now let's take a look at the article on what BeN1 sent:
In the article, it says that there is a theory that the universe did not start with a bang, but rather with a bounce. AS crazy as it sounds, it is quite possible, and if you further study, it makes more sense then the bang theory.
If the universe started with a bang, that would mean that time is constantly going in one direction. Let's say forward. Although we clearly know this isn't true since time has no direction. BUT, if the universe started with a bounce, there was two dimensions that were created. One going forward, or at least what we call forward. And the other going backwards, OR once again what we call backwards. This makes more sense, considering it this theory it has no particular direction, and time doesn't stop, nor does it go backwards or forward. Time goes as the reality rule says. But let's not forget that time doesn't exactly have any rules, as time can go any direction.
Even though this theory sounds more true to me. It can't be proved, for as science always reminds us, a theory can never become a law. But that is why we have the important subject of quantum physics. It is a subject that is underrated, and needs more time put into it then most people think.
Quantum physics is the study of everything really. And only through quantum physics can we fully understand things beyond the laws of what physics tells us.
If only we can enter the quantum realm. . .
Then he said, "I lostmyhead" can you see it?
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Well good day to you Sh3rl0ck, all well with you I trust, some clippings for you from David Denison beneath. Regards Redbeck
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