New user questions (regarding languages)

[Megavolt]

Hello all!

I've been studying magic for half my life, and chaos magic and the relation between magic and science for the last 5; how I've only just heard of this site the other day is a wonder. I'm an observer, and want to learn more about the wisdom behind this site.

After browsing some of the pages on the site (I haven't been able to read through everything yet), I understand some of the basic concepts, such as the algorithms and why we might use them, but what I don't understand is what would happen if one wasn't using an alphabet with 26 characters (or could be reduced to 26 characters). For example, in some African tribes, the click of your tongue is its own vowel. You can't exactly replicate this with a simple letter. Some Slavic and Asian languages also use syllables that can't be simplified easily to the 26 letters of the English alphabet. How would that work?

On a related topic, I found this forum, scrolled back to the first topics created, and there are several pages of Slavic language (my first instinct is Russian, but I can't read Russian, so it could very well be Ukrainian or Latvian)... and those posts were from 1970... and when you click on the topic, they can't be viewed. What were those topics about? Did I miss something?

[Redbeck]

Dear Megavolt,

Welcome to the Oracle Forum, and my sincere apologies for the delayed response, but thank you for the probing and articulate questions, I have endeavoured to answer both.

I feel sure you can apply a numbering system to any alphabet, on the premise that it can be written down rather than purely received aurally. One could I think record the click-tongue vowels you refer to in one of the following written forms: a runic style alphabet, via accents which are applied to the English or ISO Latin Alphabet or perhaps as in the Cyrillic or Arabic alphabet in which there are specific letters that represent sounds. Even in the Latin alphabet, in languages other than English, there are combinations of letters used to represent a sound.

For example the doubling up of the letter L: in English, often derived from Norman French,, ‘ll’ is pronounced phonetically as either ‘luh’ or ‘ell’ dependent on its position in the word (for example parallel or bell).Yet in Spanish ‘ll’ (a letter in its own right) is pronounced like a Y in English (young or yeast) or in some regions it can also be pronounced ‘sh’ ( as in shop or shell). In the Welsh language used throughout Wales, which is part of the United Kingdom, ‘ll’ is pronounced like a th’la (as in thumb or thimble). Thus a numeric equivalent can be applied to these pseudo letters in ascending sequence as they occur in the alphabet.

Now I am not saying that alpha-to-numeric transpositions within English will match those of the word with the same meaning in another language. However, in all cases it is the numeric patterns that emerge which are important and create the alternative mathematical manifestation of each individual language, when finally resolved down into single digits, if you will. For every letter of whatever the alphabet will resolve down into a single digit numeric, using the 973-eht-namuh-973.com method of internal integer addition, thus R is the 18th letter of the English alphabet; therefore its numeric equivalent is 18, which becomes 1 + 8 = 9 within a word when it is being transposed. Once a word is numerically spelled in single digits, the addition process continues until the final result is a single digit. 5 is the number off balance, 9 is the number of power (equally applicable to good or evil); another example 7 has recurrent but variable religious significance and is also often associated with thinkers and seekers of truth.

So Numbers are in essence inextricably intertwined with language and can often become a simpler way of interpreting language. For example a menu, it is often far simpler to quote the number of the item you wish order than attempt to pronounce what is unfamiliar to the tongue. However, if you were to transpose the words into number, matching patterns and interconnectivity would emerge.

Why English, well Hope has expressed this in another of her excellently articulate posts, but in synopsis while English is a Germanic language, with its grammar and a core vocabulary inherited from Proto-Germanic, there is a significant portion of the English vocabulary which comes from Romance and Latinate sources. Therefore it is an amalgam of words derived from numerous linguistic origins. Plus, courtesy of a vast imperial spread it is both the primary language in 54 sovereign states and 27 non-sovereign entities (over 500 million native speakers) and an adopted second language (roughly 2 to 3 times native speakers, therefore more than 1 billion non-native speakers). In total, English speakers in one category or the other are in excess of 1.5 billion souls.



The appearance of what you refer to as a Slavic language posts (you are correct in that respect they are in Russian) yet they are a mystery within a mystery, and seem to drift into an enlightenment seekers horizon then disappear into the mist, for they are deeply embedded in the mix, parked at the earliest date in the life cycle of the Oracle Forum. Only those who have ventured far inside the labyrinth, like your good self Megavolt have stumbled across these bizarre posts. Once upon a time in a primeval version of the Oracle Board software, it was impossible to upload Cyrillic or other characters beyond the ken of the ISO Latin Alphabet, even existing but accented LA characters hurled out persistent error messages before collapsing the upload process in an untidy heap. Fortunately this is no longer the case, but these posts were parked in antiquity pending full and exhaustive translation into English.

However, having eventually engineered the time, amidst a myriad of other vital site related tasks, to translate a broad spectrum of the topic titles they all appeared to have commercial promotional intent across a wide range of products. That emergence served to break 973-eht-namuh.com’s longstanding ethics & morality charter, as capitalistic profit making enterprise in our context could not be viewed in the same mould as free speech.
Our watchword on this thorny topic is as follows: ‘Effectively as a self funding knowledge, enlightenment and learning site we NEVER accept posts which include commercial content, offer links to commercial sites or promote any other type of site which is ultimately for profit.’

[BeN1]

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[Sh3rl0ck]

hey citizens,

someday I translated some of those 70's russian posts, but really only a few and quite randomly,

it was hilarious,
someday I will translate them all, so it doesn't bother me anymore to see them, but don't understand them!

greetings
BeN1

That's interesting, I wasn't even able to access those old Russian posts because for some reason it said that I was not able too and that it has stopped working.

[BeN1]

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[Sh3rl0ck]

Mir geht es sehr gut, mein Freund!

Erinnerungen und Gedanken kehren immer wieder zurück, aber ich versuche, nicht darüber nachzudenken.

Ich habe eine kleine Übersetzung gemacht und ich sehe, was du meinst. Die russischen Titel sind ziemlich witzig. Obwohl ich immer noch ein bisschen verwirrt bin, warum die Posten aus einem bestimmten Jahr 1970 stammen.

Ich entschuldige mich für mein schlechtes Deutsch. Ich habe es eine Weile nicht mehr studiert. Ich hoffe, dass ich mit Hilfe von Deutsch in der Schule und ein bisschen Google Translate einen Sinn ergeben kann

Ich hoffe es geht dir auch gut!

Beste Grüße

Sh3rl0ck

[BeN1]

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[Sh3rl0ck]

Vielen Dank!

Ich schätze das Lob meiner Sprachkenntnisse. es fällt mir schwer, mich an die meisten wörter zu erinnern, aber seit kurzem lerne ich wieder zwei sprachen: französisch und natürlich deutsch.

Gut, von Ihnen zu hören