Thoughts

[crunchlord]

hello Namuhs,

I often think about a greater purpose of life. I think about how the average human life has little to no worth, unless used to truly explore the expanse of everything there is to know. I think how sometimes death seems like something that should not be mourned, but explored, as one of the greatest mysteries of human life is whatever is beyond the doorway to death. We cannot even comprehend the expanse that is beyond our lives.

It seems such a fuss, for us humans to worry and fluster over small details, when there is a greater purpose looming over all of us. Our lives are just a dot, on an infinite expanse of time. Is there any point trying to make a bigger difference, when you and everything you know will turn to dust?

The only reason that we need jobs, schools, work and, infact, money, is because since the beginning, humans have wanted a purpose, beyond surviving. Will your money matter beyond the grave? will any of your achievements make any difference once you inevitably perish?

I know this sounds like a lot, and I am sorry if this give you a feeling of emptiness as it did to me as i wrote it, but it has been on my mind, why we worry ourselves about things that will eventually mean (and be) nothing. These are my thoughts, written down to hopefully clear them from my mind.

Feel free to add your thoughts, about what i have said or anything at all that you are thinking about. Thank you, Namuhs.

Crunch
Lord
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[Sh3rl0ck]

It does sound like a lot! But in a good way. I completely agree with this statement. I have always felt there was more to life than just what 'it is'.

I often feel alone in this world because of my way of thinking though. I am often thought of as a misfit, I always have my head thinking in a place where most people won't even get close to. Perhaps they are afraid? afraid of what truth lies beyond their simple lives. I think that's the problem with society these days, they cannot grasp the idea of something far greater than what they've settled to believe in. I don't know if this makes much sense but what I mean is that, they don't want to believe in things, whether it's religion, extraterrestrial life, supernatural existence, the afterlife, and things like that. And I don't know if it's because they just 'don't' believe in such a thing, or are they just afraid of what may be uncovered? I think they convince themselves that they are living in such a simple world, where everything ok and ordered the way they want. But when they hear of these supernatural events/occurrences, it makes them unsettled and worried, so they just decide to brush it off and call it fake, or "I don't believe that's true or real".

I found this one post before by an account on spirituality:

IS THIS YOU?

I'm a complex being
I'm both introverted and extroverted at the same time
I'm full of live and happiness and yet I know sadness and pain deeply
I love to be around people, but when it comes with anxiety. So I usually just choose to be alone.
I am always deep in my mind with complex thoughts about how I feel about the world, other people, and myself.
Half the time it just seems like I'm in my own world, and when around others I feel like an outsider looking in.

I must say, this IS me.

I apologize for going so deep into this topic and probably changing topics, but once you start writing, you can't help but fall into that rabbit hole.
Very compelling post, thank you for bringing this up!


Best of regards,

Sh3rl0ck

[Svalbard]

These posts speak to me because I spend a great deal of time wondering what all of this is about. By this, I mean the chair pressing against your back, the air circulating through your nasal cavity as you draw in breath, the thoughts that allow you to imagine and conceive of abstract things, which are nowhere near your physical presence, and so much more that we can't even attempt to quantify. It surprises me then, when I come across people who are perfectly content leading the safe and unremarkable lives that society has cut out for them. Now, I do not disparage them, since there is honor in many ordinary, day-to-day tasks. However, I can't help but feel that a person is missing something incredibly important when they forsake asking the Great Questions of life.

I've obviously simplified the situation in my previous sentence, since nearly everyone at some point asks such questions, but unfortunately, each time that I've observed it within my social circle, I was disappointed to find that the search for deeper answers was approached with a curiosity that lacked any real commitment and lost interest after just a few moments. It often seemed that many of these ordinary people were almost in a hurry to get back to their usual frame of mind. I do not understand the degree to which they can be content with a purely materialistic conception of the world and their life. I don't mean to elevate myself above others in saying this, but I personally feel a need to know more, to make contact with the other side, and to transcend.

[Sh3rl0ck]

These posts speak to me because I spend a great deal of time wondering what all of this is about. By this, I mean the chair pressing against your back, the air circulating through your nasal cavity as you draw in breath, the thoughts that allow you to imagine and conceive of abstract things, which are nowhere near your physical presence, and so much more that we can't even attempt to quantify. It surprises me then, when I come across people who are perfectly content leading the safe and unremarkable lives that society has cut out for them. Now, I do not disparage them, since there is honor in many ordinary, day-to-day tasks. However, I can't help but feel that a person is missing something incredibly important when they forsake asking the Great Questions of life.

I've obviously simplified the situation in my previous sentence, since nearly everyone at some point asks such questions, but unfortunately, each time that I've observed it within my social circle, I was disappointed to find that the search for deeper answers was approached with a curiosity that lacked any real commitment and lost interest after just a few moments. It often seemed that many of these ordinary people were almost in a hurry to get back to their usual frame of mind. I do not understand the degree to which they can be content with a purely materialistic conception of the world and their life. I don't mean to elevate myself above others in saying this, but I personally feel a need to know more, to make contact with the other side, and to transcend.

First off, welcome back svalbard! It's been quite a while, I've been pondering over when your next return would be. I noticed a very compelling and interesting mind has been away for quite some time. But it's good to hear from you again!

And no, there is no elevation from others in you saying you have a feel to know more. That's a self achievement which I happen to totally look up too. Having your head above the clouds where most people wont dare to look/think is a gift. I feel the same way. I always have my head thinking of things most people either dont want to think about or just really 'can't' think about. Their minds just cant seem to grasp something they can hardly believe, it's too much for them.
Although I sometimes still wonder, what would it be like to be normal? I've always been so different in the sense of being called "the mad scientist" or crazy conspiracy theorist, or even an occultist. Because of my differencies from normal society, mainstream individuals cant seem to accept me. I'm always studying something that's beyond out thinking, whether its quantum physics, to 973 ent namuh.
I've always been that loner who has his head up in the sky. But I'm ok with that. I'd much rather be the person I am, than be that person everyone liked because I was trendy or something like that.

Look I know I'm going too far into the topic, but basically the pinnacle of this message is, to me, being a misfit individual who thinks outside of society is an amazing thing to have.

But before I start to go on again, it's good to hear from you again!

Best of regards,

Sh3rl0ck

[Svalbard]

Sh3rl0ck,

Thank you for the warm welcome-back.

I didn't wish to be absent, especially considering how insightful I find this website. However, due to my hectic mental health, my life oscillates between great and terrible frequently. After living for several weeks in absolute haze, I am now attempting to get a handle on things again. On that note, I have realized something important about addiction (my main vice) recently, which I suspect (hope) will be crucial in my recovery. Perhaps this is not a forum that focuses on such topics, but if I think of a way to explain this insight about my personal struggle such that it benefits others here, then I will make a post about it.

Anyway, some time ago I have come across Terence McKenna. For those who don't know, he was "an American ethnobotanist, mystic [not a fan of this term], psychonaut, lecturer, author, and an advocate for the responsible use of naturally occurring psychedelic plants" (Wikipedia). Though I have some reservations about him, his psychedelic adventures have provided us with a whole wealth of provocative ideas about consciousness, altered states, the universe, and our place within it. I imagine that some here may feel uneasy about psychedelic substances, but I am not attempting to encourage their use here; I'm simply suggesting that the insights that McKenna derived from their use may be worth exploring. For those interested, I recommend Terence's lectures on the Psychedelic Salon podcast, but you can also find many of his stuff on YouTube.

Now, one of Terence's ideas, which I have reservations about is his belief that any understanding gathered from forays into the otherside - as facilitated through psychedelics, but also meditation and deep introspection - will be limited. He argues that while exploration of our consciousness "dissolves boundaries" and can provide us with great insights about ourselves and the world, attempting to draw rational understanding of the otherside, the "unspeakable", the Universe, the Logos, God, etc. is more-or-less a fool's errand. In other words, he says that we likely will never have a complete and logical understanding of what all THIS is about; we'll instead have to settle for brief "glimpses" of the great beyond.

I'm sure that I have simplified his position quite a bit, so if anyone here has a better understanding of his beliefs, please correct me.

In any case, I feel uneasy about McKenna's argument. It's not necessarily that I disagree; it's that I desire to know - to have full understand of - what lies beyond this limited, materialistic existence, and I don't want to settle for less. The thought that over the course of humanity's long existence and the countless religions and spiritual traditions practiced we have never arrived at a framework to sufficiently explain what's really going on here is incredibly disappointing and even nihilistic to me. At times when this weighs heavily on me, I reach for alternative explanations: yes, perhaps humanity hasn't uncovered the whole Truth, but maybe each great spiritual tradition has caught a brief but incredibly valuable "spark" of the Truth, OR maybe humanity has repeatedly come to a full understanding of the Truth, but this understanding repeatedly becomes misinterpreted, obfuscated, and eventually lost, so that it needs to be uncovered again and again.

I really don't know. However, I'm determined to keep searching.

I am interested in hearing anybody's thoughts on this.

Regards,
Svalbard

[Sh3rl0ck]

Svalbard,

This is interesting, recently I have been reading about Terrence McKenna, and the topic of Psychedelic mushrooms.

I do not, and do not promote the use of magic mushrooms, although that doesn't stop me from researching it. Over the time of studying this, I have noticed this pattern in individuals taking this having a sense of universalness with the universe, and a divine connection with God. I believe that everything has been placed here on the planet for a reason, one of which being a wireless connection to the universe, thus, possibly being things like mushrooms. Many people have recalled becoming devote believers in religion after taking these, and it has also cured mental issues like depression and anxiety. And let me not forget the psychedelic entities that are confronted while tripping. People have also mentioned this metaphorical view on things while on it. They have also felt this feeling of complete understanding of their place in the universe and what reality really is.

To me, this is another great mystery yet to be solved. Although there are things within this subject that make me quite skeptical as to why they cannot be used. First off, I would like to address that I am in no way trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Of course it will come off that way, but without theories there wouldn't be research resulting in truth.

I found out that there are many biblical recounts of the disciples using magic mushrooms to get a divine connection with God. These papers, however, have been stocked away in the protected walls in the Vatican. Why? Well here is my intake as to why:
These magic mushrooms are quite dangerous, actually let me re-word that, they are VERY dangerous. Not for the fact that it has been called a drug, but for the experiences that come with it. I believe that these 'divine wireless connections' to God are the answer to the existence of God, although there are dangers that come with trying to find truth. Evil can tap it to anything especially when you break a portal through the conscious mind. Doing so, the trip can easily go south and what may be a good trip in the beginning, can quickly be taken over my extra-dimensional evil entities. Now bare with me, but what if this is the reason why the Vatican is keeping this away from the public. To find truth, there will always be a tough journey to get to it. And if people can become psychotic after these experiences, maybe it's because they aren't ready for the truth. But keep in mind this entire message is my opinion/theory intake as to why it is being kept away from the public. Maybe there is a reason why the government keeps these illegal, with the exception of dangerous hallucinations which can put others in harms risk.

I have also seen that there has been a post on mushrooms by Istair I believe. Redbeck also put in a really insightful and informative info on the history of psychedelic drugs and it's use in different cultures.

[Svalbard]

Svalbard,

This is interesting, recently I have been reading about Terrence McKenna, and the topic of Psychedelic mushrooms.

I do not, and do not promote the use of magic mushrooms, although that doesn't stop me from researching it. Over the time of studying this, I have noticed this pattern in individuals taking this having a sense of universalness with the universe, and a divine connection with God. I believe that everything has been placed here on the planet for a reason, one of which being a wireless connection to the universe, thus, possibly being things like mushrooms. Many people have recalled becoming devote believers in religion after taking these, and it has also cured mental issues like depression and anxiety. And let me not forget the psychedelic entities that are confronted while tripping. People have also mentioned this metaphorical view on things while on it. They have also felt this feeling of complete understanding of their place in the universe and what reality really is.

To me, this is another great mystery yet to be solved. Although there are things within this subject that make me quite skeptical as to why they cannot be used. First off, I would like to address that I am in no way trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Of course it will come off that way, but without theories there wouldn't be research resulting in truth.

I found out that there are many biblical recounts of the disciples using magic mushrooms to get a divine connection with God. These papers, however, have been stocked away in the protected walls in the Vatican. Why? Well here is my intake as to why:
These magic mushrooms are quite dangerous, actually let me re-word that, they are VERY dangerous. Not for the fact that it has been called a drug, but for the experiences that come with it. I believe that these 'divine wireless connections' to God are the answer to the existence of God, although there are dangers that come with trying to find truth. Evil can tap it to anything especially when you break a portal through the conscious mind. Doing so, the trip can easily go south and what may be a good trip in the beginning, can quickly be taken over my extra-dimensional evil entities. Now bare with me, but what if this is the reason why the Vatican is keeping this away from the public. To find truth, there will always be a tough journey to get to it. And if people can become psychotic after these experiences, maybe it's because they aren't ready for the truth. But keep in mind this entire message is my opinion/theory intake as to why it is being kept away from the public. Maybe there is a reason why the government keeps these illegal, with the exception of dangerous hallucinations which can put others in harms risk.

I have also seen that there has been a post on mushrooms by Istair I believe. Redbeck also put in a really insightful and informative info on the history of psychedelic drugs and it's use in different cultures.

Sh3rl0ck,

Thank you for your thoughts on this subject.

I think that you are definitely right about psilocybin mushrooms being dangerous. I am neither encouraging nor condemning those who use them, but I think that Terence McKenna was right when he something along the lines of, "Some people think that the danger of psychedelics is damaging one's health or dying; but the actual danger of psychedelics is madness." As he repeated countless times, psychedelics "dissolve boundaries." Well, if that's true then the results emanating from that can be subversive to a person's prior convictions. The user may be lead to begin re-evaluating the beliefs ingrained within him by the society, and for a religious or governmental institution seeking to preserve the status quo, that's a wrench in their gears and a thorn in their side. Of course, insights drawn from psychedelic experiences can be both, positive and negative, as well as everything in between; but the fact remains that in taking psychedelics the user exposes himself to the chance of having his core beliefs change, and depending on where the person takes this, it can either be dangerous or enlightening. Furthermore, concluding which of the two it is also rests on the party making the assessment.


Regards,
Svalbard