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[BeN1]

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[Sh3rl0ck]

Interesting post!

I have actually thought of this concept before. I'm not too familiar with other cultural religious views on hell, but I do know that you will mostly hear this term in Christian beliefs and teachings. In a Christian view, it's a place you go to if you have supposedly done wrong your entire life without Gods forgiveness. Personally, I don't really believe that such a place like hell exists, considering I believe it to be just a concept made by Christians to scare others about what happens if you do not believe in God. But I will say that I certainly believe that evil, and other various concepts of evil are in fact real. In the paranormal field, demons are a real phenomenon and these types of hauntings do happen. And as a part time/occasional paranormal investigator and enthusiast, I have come across cases with demonic problems.

But in the end, I think it just comes down to a matter of opinion. It's up to you whether or not you think it exists. And that if you think it does, it also comes up to what you believe it to really be. I think that we will only understand once our time has come. And I don't believe that hell exists, so don't worry about messing up in life. Although in the same time, don't go out murdering people and robbing banks. I think it's up to the individual whether you make it a living hell or not. There are even some cultures out there who celebrate death. Not in a bad way, but they see it as a new transcending. A new transfer to the next life, which is beautiful. I don't think that there is anything to fear for. But I do believe that there is still an evil force in us, and everywhere. Just like God is this force of power, so is evil. And I have had many personal experiences, as well as I've heard other peoples experiences to prove that it is in fact real and frightening.

I would like to make an entire post for this type of topic. About the afterlife, peoples theories on it, and concepts on good and evil, and maybe share some personal experiences as well. But again, in the end it comes down to personal belief and opinion, as well as the exception that we will never really know what happens in the afterlife, for it is in fact another mystery that can't ever be solved.

[Sh3rl0ck]

And either way, I forgot to mention that I think both ways it's all just a metaphorical concept in general.

[ladymoon]

Ce qui est plutôt étrange dans ce concete chrétiens c'est le fait que ce soit Satan qui punisse celui qui s'est détourné de dieu (?) Cela voudrait dire que Satin lui-même travaillerait pour dieu ou que l'un et l'autre est une même personne. En tout cas le point de vu chrétien ne tient pas debout.

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[Jay]

I agree, Hell doesn't exist as what was taught to us for many generations lol,
Hell is part of paradise after death, where it teaches us about life, and why our actions were done because of X.
Maybe it's a part of a decisive choice of your true spirit of whether you're done and you've learned what you needed to learn from Earth, or you come back here to learn X.

[Redbeck]

Ce qui est plutôt étrange dans ce concete chrétiens c'est le fait que ce soit Satan qui punisse celui qui s'est détourné de dieu (?) Cela voudrait dire que Satin lui-même travaillerait pour dieu ou que l'un et l'autre est une même personne. En tout cas le point de vu chrétien ne tient pas debout.

"What is rather strange in this Christian concoction is the fact that it is Satan who punishes the one who has turned away from God (?) That would mean that Satan himself would work for god or that one and the other is the same person. In any case the Christian point of view does not stand up."


Chère ladymoon, bienvenue dans la communauté du forum Oracle et merci pour votre message. J'ai profité de l'occasion pour traduire votre message car la langue principale du forum est l'anglais. Cependant, j'ai vécu et travaillé à Bruxelles pendant près de 7 ans et j'ai donc encore une compréhension de la langue. Redbeck



Christ's Descent Into Hell - Hieronymus Bosch

[Sh3rl0ck]

I agree, Hell doesn't exist as what was taught to us for many generations lol,
Hell is part of paradise after death, where it teaches us about life, and why our actions were done because of X.
Maybe it's a part of a decisive choice of your true spirit of whether you're done and you've learned what you needed to learn from Earth, or you come back here to learn X.

I couldn't have said it better. That's exactly the way I view it. Once we die, we get this deep understanding of the universe. All questions are answered. And because of this, hell is the place of reflection before the paradise, as you stated. Now that we have this understanding, everything makes sense, including what we have done wrong. So when you realize that you did something very wrong you live with that in the afterlife with the constant shame. But here is the part where we can live in heaven without that. Ask forgiveness from the universe, and you shall be free is the way I see it. It's only up to you whether you make it a living hell or not.

And yes, BeN1, I feel like Christian's just over interpret the meaning of hell, with hollywood stereotypes with constant burning. But who knows maybe the mean it in a metaphorical aspect, or maybe they really are dead serious, we dont know;)

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[ladymoon]

I do not believe in hell as we wanted to describe it ... I do not believe in "punishment" in atrocious suffering etc ... why Satan would it be so from a point from Christian view he is "evil". lucifer (let's call it so) is I think it a necessary entity representing freedom and knowledge, as in all things there is an "evil" side as an "angelic" side the two form a balance ... what we leaning more towards one than towards the other is our free will. Lucifer is not the only double-faced entity! take Lilith, Isis, Shiva ... destruction is often synonymous with construction, there is no good without harm and vice versa. the human body is a kind of "vessel" for the mind and I think we can have access to certain knowledge and entities when we learn to root out the soul of this ship a bit like genius in the lamp. there is the world of the visible and the world of the invisible ... for the individuals having lived in the absolute evil I really wonder "in the name of who or what" they would be punished? (Alas) no god is king (for my part) after perhaps does he trust the cosmic plan of the universe so that their soul is "destroyed"? neither hell nor paradise but perhaps a huge reservoir of souls waiting for a new ship.

[IoBoI]

I like this discussion. Well I like to think abt the esoteric logically, if there’s a god and I choose to believe in the Christ, the souls would need a holding cell of sorts. Redbeck is correct when he said the denizens of hell would be in gods payroll, if there’s a society of all the people who have ever lived on earth you couldn’t through Ted Bundy in with Gandhi it would anarchy. There’s a correct and objective way to judge your actions and yourself, though human nature like to blur the lines, just like a court process if used correctly, you can be weighed. Plus there’s several circles of hell including purgatory of course it isn’t all black and white it’s not you get thrown in an oven for all eternity or get a beach house for all eternity. It’s an almost bureaucratic process if you really wanna underhand it like that. The concept of hell is meant to scare bc like why would you want to go to prison especially for eternity? I feel like a society of all the greatest and righteous minds would get a lot done up there without people like Ted bundy and gross celebrities in there. And yeah I mean I feel like the duality of identity for these entities would be necessary, I also like your ship word. Isn’t it describe in John that the wicked serve as fuel for the fire of the righteous? I guess you could view both ships as such with the people being the engines in the same way we are the engines for our towns and cities. And no true god expects you to bow like a king in the traditional sense he invented being king before kings and he didn’t even need the concept of a crown bc he was here before the first animal walked on land. God rarely uses hell to scare unless necessary, tbh you will find more “preachers” doing this for a quick buck at the “church”

[IoBoI]

I ALSO LOVE BENS WORDS FOR HOW HELL IS ACTUALLY COLD. Exactly it’s a pale imitation of the human engine of the only god.

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[IoBoI]

Yeah it’s the nature of the earth to be a constant game of heaven and hell. And yeah you unconditional love is much easier said than done, my patience is tried everyday. But I take it as it comes

[Lannix]

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